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NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!! LHC to shut down for a year to address safety concerns

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A director at the Large Hadron Collider in Geneva has told BBC News that some mistakes were made in construction.

Dr Steve Myers said these faults will delay the machine reaching its full potential for two years.

The atom smasher will reach world record power later this month at 7 trillion electron volts (TeV).

But the machine must close at the end of 2011 for up to a year for work to make the tunnel safe for proton collisions planned at twice that level.

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Reply#1 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 10:40 PM EST
Shub Tnediserp Remrof

the longer they fix it the more powerful it becomes. I take it that's what they are saying.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 10:54 PM EST
WizDumb

So it''l start back up at the end of 2012? Just in time for the end of the world party. Coincidence? I think not.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Tue Mar 9, 2010 10:58 PM EST
lolollollol1233

Even though that 2012 stuff is a joke, I laughed at your comment. Good work! =D

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#3.1 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:16 AM EST
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dungbeetlemania

That is sad news, but good that they plan to try to prevent damage rather than fixing it if/when it occurs. Thanks for the seed.

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Reply#4 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 3:19 AM EST
jeanette-1355722

I think it is best to fix it before it is broke. Better to take care of problems now instead of waiting until it is too late. Don't worry, be happy. 2012 is just like 1990 and 2000, nothing happened then and nothing will now.

  • 1 vote
Reply#5 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 1:23 PM EST
Cheesus

From my experience studying physics, I think a lot of the problem can come from the terminology, and general mindset, of probabilistically-minded scientists. For example, when a physicist says, "There's a very small chance that this experiment will destroy the planet," they're not saying that it's a normal kind of very small that the average person is familiar with -- what they're describing is often an even that would not occur over hundreds of billions of years if the experiment were run constantly throughout that time. And there's a significant difference there.

The flippant remarks from physicists, while amusing to those in their esoteric situation, generally frighten the public because they're not familiar with the principles of combinatorial mathematics. I'm not saying that this behavior is worth scolding them, and it's certainly funny behind closed doors, but their public-facing comments need to be screened to ensure that people understand that there is no risk to them from these experiments.

Put it into perspective -- tell them that they have a better chance of winning the lottery every month for the rest of their life (at one ticket/month) than they do dying from the LHC destroying the planet. Granted, I don't think most people realize how bad their chances are at winning in the first place... but I think it will help illustrate the point.

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Reply#6 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 2:08 PM EST
Bacos

Cheesus,

You are completely right.

Plus, as I learned from Probabilistic Risk Assessment, it is also difficult to communicate this to the public because scientists and engineers can't say it's safe--as safety is subjective.

It would be an ethical issue to say it's safe if it has even a minuscule chance of occurrence.

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#6.1 - Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:12 PM EST
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